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		<title>George Claassen by &#8220;Ons Godsdiens en die Wetenskap&#8221; Besprekingsgroep, Môre! (Vandag)</title>
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		<category><![CDATA[George Claassen]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jurie van den Heever]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I attended a talk at NG Gemeente Stellenbosch-Sentraal&#8217;s discussion group for &#8220;Our Religion and Science&#8221;* before, it was quite interesting to see what they were up to with their discussions. (*That doesn&#8217;t translate well. &#8220;Die Wetenskap&#8221; is &#8220;The Science&#8221; &#8211; incorrect in English, and it isn&#8217;t the plural, &#8220;the sciences&#8221;.) In any case, of particular [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended a talk at NG Gemeente Stellenbosch-Sentraal&#8217;s discussion group for &#8220;Our Religion and Science&#8221;* before, it was quite interesting to see what they were up to with their discussions. (*That doesn&#8217;t translate well. &#8220;Die Wetenskap&#8221; is &#8220;The Science&#8221; &#8211; incorrect in English, and it isn&#8217;t the plural, &#8220;the sciences&#8221;.)</p>
<p>In any case, of particular interest, I&#8217;m quite sorry I&#8217;ll miss this one, they&#8217;ve invited Dr George Claassen! He&#8217;s quite an outspoken atheist (or should I call him an agnostic? not sure&#8230;), slightly vitriolic by some accounts, blogging at <a href="http://prometheusongebonde.wordpress.com/">Prometheus Unbound</a>. What would make this so interesting, is to see how he presents himself <em>in person</em>, when talking to a&#8230; &#8220;sophisticated&#8221; religious group, i.e. not fundamentalists, not anti-science evolution-deniers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m blogging this in the hopes that some of my blogging friends might attend.</p>
<p><strong>Date and Time: Tuesday 10 February from 17:00 to 18:00</strong> (lecture) followed by discussion of the subject, until 18:30.<br />
<strong>Title: Religion and Science: Dialogue or Duel?</strong><br />
<strong>Place: Stellenbosch</strong><br />
<strong>Language: Afrikaans&#8230; (Geloof en Wetenskap: Dialoog of Teenstryd?)</strong></p>
<p>Let me know if you&#8217;re interested in going (drop a comment and fill in your email address correctly), and I&#8217;ll pass on the details!</p>
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<p>Also interesting is the next lecture/discussion:</p>
<blockquote><p>Ons volgende lesing en gesprek sal o.l.v dr. Jurie van den Heever (spreker) op 24 Februarie plaasvind oor die onderwerp: “Darwin se windhond ontmoet Darwin se Engel … Hoe om Richard Dawkins op die vingers te tik”.  Almal welkom. </p></blockquote>
<p>Dr Jurie van den Heever is a paleontologist, I had a good chat with him when I was still in Stellenbosch. This one has me equally curious, if I were in town, I&#8217;d <em>be there!</em> He&#8217;s a good scientist with a really good head on his shoulders, and has grappled with creationism/creationists on Stellenbosch. It sounds to me like he&#8217;s also playing an important role in helping South African teachers get the teaching of evolution right. As such, he surely has a good sensitivity to South African culture and what it means to introduce greater scientific knowledge within our culture.</p>
<p>The title of his talk is something like &#8220;Darwin&#8217;s greyhound meets Darwin&#8217;s Angel &#8230; How to rap Richard Dawkins over the knuckles&#8221;. (&#8220;Darwin&#8217;s greyhound&#8221; refers to Dawkins, like &#8220;Darwin&#8217;s Bulldog&#8221; refers to Thomas Henry Huxley from way back when.) Anyway, based on the title, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the talk touches on the kind of material mentioned in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin%27s_Angel">Darwin&#8217;s Angel</a>. And it is always good to get a discussion going, with multiple viewpoints, assuming the viewpoints are well thought out, well considered, thorough&#8230; <em>and Jurie&#8217;s will be!</em></p>
<p>Oh, and if someone can make a recording (especially of Claassen), I&#8217;ve heard back from one friend that can&#8217;t attend, who&#8217;s as eager as I to find another way of hearing Claassen in that context. Are there legal issues involved with doing that? For something other than &#8220;personal use&#8221;?</p>
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