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		<title>Dennett Visits Stellenbosch!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This isn&#8217;t an April fool&#8217;s joke, The Philosopher (a good friend of mine&#8217;s nickname for Prof Daniel Dennett) is visiting Stellenbosch on Wednesday! I&#8217;m not duplicating the info here, see the Renowned philosopher to speak at Stellenbosch University news item on Stellenbosch University&#8217;s website. He&#8217;s touring&#8230; a brief search on Facebook shows he&#8217;s also visiting [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t an April fool&#8217;s joke, The Philosopher (a good friend of mine&#8217;s nickname for Prof Daniel Dennett) is visiting Stellenbosch on Wednesday! I&#8217;m not duplicating the info here, see the <a href="http://www.sun.ac.za/news/NewsItem_Eng.asp?Lang=2&#038;ItemID=15342">Renowned philosopher to speak at Stellenbosch University</a> news item on Stellenbosch University&#8217;s website.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s touring&#8230; a brief search on Facebook shows he&#8217;s also visiting <a href="http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=61169251925">Cape Town</a> and <a href="http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=56375211283">KwaZulu-Natal</a>. (Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=60462752708">a Facebook event for Stellenbosch</a>.)</p>
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		<title>Dan Dennett sez: Find Yerself a &#8220;god&#8221;!</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote about Dan Dennet&#8217;s TED talk on memes before. Right now, I want to talk about a 25 second section out of it, between 5:00 and 5:25: I myself am a philosopher, and one of our occupational hazards is that people ask us what the meaning of life is. You have to have a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote about <a href="http://thinktoomuch.net/2008/02/29/dan-dennet-on-memes/">Dan Dennet&#8217;s TED talk on memes</a> before. Right now, I want to talk about a 25 second section out of it, between 5:00 and 5:25:</p>
<blockquote><p>I myself am a philosopher, and one of our occupational hazards is that people ask us what the meaning of life is. You have to have a bumper sticker, you have to have a statement, so this is mine:</p>
<p>The secret of happiness:<br />
Find something more important than you are and dedicate your life to it.</p></blockquote>
<p>He points out that this is The subordination of genetic interests to other interests. No other species does anything like this. <em>Fine, yes, that we know of&#8230; but Dennett said that!</em></p>
<p>What Dennett&#8217;s bumper sticker wisdom is advocating here, as the secret to happiness, in &#8220;New Testament Terms&#8221;: <em>find yourself a god</em>.</p>
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<p>In interaction between theist and atheist, this use of theistic language is a great source of strife. Theists sometimes points out that atheists also have a god, and the atheists argue. The reason? Atheists go by the definition of &#8220;god&#8221; that is &#8220;a metaphysical personal sky-daddy that performs miracles&#8221;, while the &#8220;theological-psychology theory&#8221; of god-worship <em>is not that</em>. For a scriptural example, the New Testament talks about the worship of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon">mammon</a>. Says Wikipedia:</p>
<blockquote><p>Webster defines &#8216;mammon&#8217; as: 1) the false god of riches and avarice. 2) riches regarded as an object of worship and greedy pursuit; wealth as an evil, more or less personified.[1] Winston defines it to mean: 1) wealth, worldly gain; 2) greed for riches; cupidity.[2] Oxford defines: god of wealth, regarded as evil or immoral; &#8216;those who worship mammon&#8217; = greedy people who value money too highly.[3]</p></blockquote>
<p>Mammon is considered a &#8220;false god&#8221; by Christians, by which they mean mammon is not worth worshipping, that materialism is a degenerate way to live. A non-Christian money-loving capitalist might disagree, believing mammon is worth worshipping. Irrespective of whether mammon is worth worshipping or not, mammon is a &#8220;god&#8221; in the sense of &#8220;<a href="http://thinktoomuch.net/2008/07/11/god-as-meaning-assigner/">meaning/purpose assigner</a>&#8220;. This is the concept of &#8220;a god&#8221; that I&#8217;m running with.</p>
<p>Consider another of these greater ideals: humanism. The humanist &#8212; committed to the &#8220;more important&#8221; idea of humanism &#8212; would, in &#8220;ancient-lingo&#8221;, be worshipping a god of reason and empathy/compassion towards his fellow humans (love your neighbour), irrespective of his metaphysical convictions. </p>
<p>With regards to Matthew 22:36-39 then:</p>
<blockquote><p> 36&#8243;Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?&#8221; 37Jesus replied: &#8221; &#8216;Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.&#8217;[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: &#8216;Love your neighbor as yourself.&#8217;[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Compare that to a humanist that is committed to humanism, an idea more important than himself, with all his heart and all his soul and all his mind, with an integral part of that idea being to love his neighbour as himself. So yes, a humanist has a &#8220;god&#8221;, when cast into the terminology of that &#8220;theological-psychology theory&#8221;.</p>
<p>More: the &#8220;god&#8221; that Pullman (a secular humanist) advocates, is apparently a god of &#8220;inquiry, curiosity, maturity, compassion, determination, loyalty, opposing tyranny and evil&#8221;. (Hat tip to <a href="http://friendlyhumanist.blogspot.com/">Timothy Mills</a> for that list &#8212; I wrote about it in <a href="http://thinktoomuch.net/2007/11/10/fearing-the-golden-compass-how-small-is-your-god/">my post about the Golden Compass</a>.)</p>
<p>Most humans have a &#8220;god&#8221;: most humans seek a purpose, seek meaning in life, except maybe committed nihilists. And atheists? Well, there are different kinds. You do get nihilistic atheists, but they are really not very common. (I wonder how many nihilists reached nihilism by &#8220;deconverting&#8221; from a supernaturalist worldview, in comparison to how many <em>naturalists</em> end up at nihilism? The ratio would determine whether <em>supernaturalism</em> might not have to bear much of the blame.) Most atheists are <em>not</em> nihilists. They <em>do</em> have a &#8220;god&#8221;, that &#8220;god&#8221; is just not personified and named, and is not an interventionist god.</p>
<p>Comments, thoughts, objections?</p>
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		<title>Dan Dennet on Memes</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The first talk of Dan Dennett that I watched, disappointed me. (It was his talk on &#8220;Believing in Belief&#8221;.) My disappointment came at the end of the talk, when he employed rhetorical devices reminiscent of what I see at creationist talks. Anyway, he&#8217;s still a potent thinker, worth listening to. Check his TED talk on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first talk of Dan Dennett that I watched, disappointed me. (It was his talk on &#8220;Believing in Belief&#8221;.) My disappointment came at the end of the talk, when he employed rhetorical devices reminiscent of what I see at creationist talks. Anyway, he&#8217;s still a potent thinker, worth listening to.</p>
<p>Check <a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/116">his TED talk on memes</a>. Here is the blurb on the page:</p>
<blockquote><p>Here&#8217;s one of those talks that can change your view of the world forever. Starting with the deceptively simple story of an ant, Dan Dennett unleashes a dazzling sequence of ideas, making a powerful case for the existence of &#8220;memes&#8221; &#8212; a term coined by Richard Dawkins for mental concepts that are literally alive and capable of spreading from brain to brain. On the way, look out for:<br />
+ a powerful one-sentence secret of happiness<br />
+ a compelling insight into terrorists&#8217; motivation<br />
+ a chilling view of Islam<br />
And just when you think you know where the talk&#8217;s heading, it dramatically shifts direction and questions some of western culture&#8217;s fundamental assumptions.<br />
This. Is. Unmissable.</p></blockquote>
<p>Rather high praise for the talk, probably accurate. I didn&#8217;t experience it as being that ground-breaking, but I&#8217;ve been thinking about these things for a long time and have thought about pretty much all the things he touches on in the talk. Have a look, and let me know if you care to discuss any particular aspect of this talk. Let&#8217;s stick to the subject matter <em>in</em> this talk though, if you know what I mean. Certain digressions we so love making aren&#8217;t particularly useful.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>: For your convenience, the embedded video:</p>
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