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		<title>Everything Must Change</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I attended Stellenbosch Gemeente again on 6 January. The topic was &#8220;Breek uit&#8230;Passiwiteit&#8221;, or &#8220;breaking out of passivity&#8221;. Let me keep my words to a minimum, the video clip of Brian McLaren, Everything Must Change, says it all: This clip was shown at the beginning of the sermon to set the stage. For interested parties [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended Stellenbosch Gemeente again on 6 January. The topic was &#8220;Breek uit&#8230;Passiwiteit&#8221;, or &#8220;breaking out of passivity&#8221;. Let me keep my words to a minimum, the video clip of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmgwaDZ8lKk">Brian McLaren, Everything Must Change,</a> says it all:</p>
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<p>This clip was shown at the beginning of the sermon to set the stage. For interested parties that understand Afrikaans, the <a href="http://www.sg.org.za/afr/content/view/622/182/">sermon&#8217;s page</a> on Stellenbosch Gemeente&#8217;s website contains an mp3 of the sermon as well as a new creed that was recited towards the end of the sermon.</p>
<p>A key idea emphasized in the sermon was that &#8220;passivity versus traditional activism&#8221; is a false dichotomy, with a third option typically being the best course of action. This was illustrated by re-examining the examples of <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%205:38-41;&#038;version=31;">turning the other cheek and walking the extra mile</a>, from the context of slavery and Roman rule during Jesus&#8217; time. Read on for my explanation of passivity, activism, and the third &#8220;thinking outside the box&#8221; option&#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Passivity</strong></p>
<p>All too often &#8220;turning the other cheek&#8221; is interpreted as &#8220;be passive, do nothing&#8221;. This is all too often leads to someone becoming a <em>doormat Christian</em> &mdash; a Christian that lets other people walk all over them, to <em>everyone&#8217;s</em> detriment. Passivity is as evil as apathy.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.&#8221; (Edmund Burke)</p></blockquote>
<p>Passivity while education is undermined by people that hate science, passivity while the <a href="http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2008/01/04/woo-shot/">anti-vaccination</a> crowd gets us all killed from diseases we have beaten decades ago (smallpox anyone?), passivity as genocide is committed, as people starve, minority groups are oppressed and marginalised, passivity as The Third Reich runs rampant through Europe, <em>how is that even an option?!</em></p>
<p><strong>Activism</strong></p>
<p>The Old Testament had the suggestion of <em>an eye for an eye</em>. This is standard activism, with a limit to forbid tenfold retaliation. If some guy pokes out your eye, you are not allowed to retaliate by burning his fields, stealing his cattle, killing his children, raping his wives <em>and</em> poking out his eye. Extrapolated to global politics, that would lead to destruction, possibly mutual destruction. Hence, the suggested limit: equal response.</p>
<p>The problem with responding in kind is the differences in perception. Did any of you play <em>&#8220;&#8216;n hou vir &#8216;n hou&#8221;</em> when you were younger? (Translates literally and ickily to <em>a-hit-for-a-hit</em>.) That is a game some boys play, at least in South Africa, where you take turns in hitting one another until someone loses interest in hitting back, or is possibly unable to do so. This kind of game typically escalates, even if both try to return &#8220;in kind&#8221;. I&#8217;m afraid I lost the link to an article explaining how the harms committed to you always seem worse than the exact same harm you dish out. Even in an attempt to keep things &#8220;equal&#8221;, it escalates. Again we have destruction.</p>
<p><strong>The Third Option</strong></p>
<p>In the case of turning the other cheek, there is a little detail found in the text that should be given some thought:</p>
<blockquote><p>If someone strikes you <strong>on the right cheek</strong>, turn to him the other also.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why the <em>right</em> cheek? Why not simply &#8220;on the cheek&#8221;?</p>
<p>The explanation suggested in the sermon was this: Most people are right-handed. Striking someone on his or her right cheek with your right hand will therefore be a back-handed strike. Apparently this was the strike used on e.g. slaves. In this context, turning the other cheek is a defiant challenge to the striker to treat/hit you <em>as an equal</em>, rather than as a slave.</p>
<p>In the case of walking the extra mile, the context is the laws of the Roman army. Apparently Roman soldiers could ask citizens of the empire to carry their packs for them, <em>but only for one mile</em>. Refuse to carry their packs, and you&#8217;d be breaking the law. So how do you protest? <em>You insist on walking a second mile.</em> This returns the embarrassment to the soldier, placing him in the uncomfortable position of being the one to break the law.</p>
<p>I see many similarities between this approach and eastern philosophies, found in the <a href="http://senseis.xmp.net/">game of Go</a>, my potentially incorrect understanding of yin/yang, the principles and fundamentals of many Chinese martial arts, and probably most Japanese arts too, e.g. Aikido (many clips on YouTube, e.g. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn59zha-uAQ">Aikido vs Kickboxing</a>) &mdash; <em>use the aggressor&#8217;s aggression against them, rather than trying to meet it directly with force.</em></p>
<p><strong>Discuss!</strong></p>
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		<title>Language Differences (3 of 3)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the third post in a series of three, aimed at making evangelicals in the field more successful in their ministry to atheists. The previous post was Get the Good News Right. (Getting the Good News right is really the crux of the issue.) The only difference between theists and atheists, is that we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This is the third post in a series of three, aimed at making evangelicals in the field more successful in their ministry to atheists. The previous post was <a href="http://thinktoomuch.net/2007/10/08/get-the-good-news-right-2-of-3/">Get the Good News Right</a>. (Getting the Good News right is really the crux of the issue.)</em></p>
<p><strong>The only difference between theists and atheists, is that we speak different languages.</strong></p>
<p>This post proved much more difficult to write than I had hoped. The draft I wrote nine days ago, when I sketched out my schedule, was completely inadequate. In fact, there really is a lot of ground-work and foundations that should have been laid before I tackled this post. As such, this post became a long one&#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>The Search for God</strong></p>
<p>Humanity as a whole, has been &#8220;searching for God&#8221; possibly for longer than the age of the earth according to creationists. This search has been a journey that has passed along many potential &#8220;destinations&#8221; en-route. Still the journey does not end, understanding develops more, our &#8220;relationship with God&#8221; continues to change and grow.</p>
<p>A long time ago, the polytheistic understanding of &#8220;God&#8221; was common. &#8220;God&#8221; consisted of a whole pantheon of gods, and humanity was at the mercy of the soap-opera playing out on Mount Olympus (or equivalent). As the power shifted amongst the gods, the humans&#8217; loyalties also shifted, to whichever god then supposedly had the upper hand.</p>
<p>(Dealing with middle-eastern religion now:) A contrasting, revolutionary perspective of &#8220;God&#8221;, is that there aren&#8217;t many different gods that need to be worshipped. &#8220;God&#8221; became understood to be a &#8220;single entity&#8221;. Monotheism revolutionised human culture, and removed a lot of insecurity. Humans were no longer at the mercy of the big soap-opera in the sky.</p>
<p>I feel this really is less a case of humans being &#8220;atheistic&#8221; about all the other gods, than it is an understanding that consolidates all the gods into one God. A development, an improvement, in our understanding of the abstract notion of &#8220;God&#8221;, that thing &#8220;beyond human comprehension&#8221;. This is why that cliché popularised by Richard Dawkins irks me so much: &#8220;We are all atheistic about all those other gods, some of us just go one god further.&#8221; If I hear that many more times, it might start to irritate me as much as some creationism seminars do&#8230; <img src='http://www.thinktoomuch.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>What is the difference between Islam, Judaism and Christianity? All three are monotheistic, all three worship &#8220;the only God there is&#8221;. Defined that way, they all have to be worshipping the same God (the only God there is&#8230;) The difference then, is merely in their understanding of that one God. Each of the three think they have a better understanding of that God than the other two. Possibly all three claim &#8220;God is beyond our comprehension&#8221;.</p>
<p>The (controversial?) question then becomes: might each not learn something about God from the other?</p>
<p>My discussion here is the difference between &#8220;atheism&#8221; and &#8220;theistic belief as a whole&#8221;, rather than between &#8220;atheism&#8221; and any particular form of Christianity. There is already great diversity within the Christian tradition. If I recall correctly, there may be something like 33000 different denominations? Many of these denominations probably think they have a monopoly on The Truth. Denominations with such monopolies on truth, should not bother trying to reach atheists, in my opinion. This post is addressed to the more humble denominations.</p>
<p>Humble denominations recognise that there will necessarily be diverse understandings of something that is &#8220;beyond human comprehension&#8221;, and recognise that inter-denominational conversation would be valuable to understand &#8220;God&#8221; more accurately. Each group can learn from every other, and in the process each group can also teach.</p>
<p>Christians that are humble enough, will be able to recognise there is value to be found in Islam and Judaism as well, that Christianity does not have a monopoly on &#8220;God&#8221;, and that each religion can learn from every other. In the process, again, each religion can teach. Only once the Christian has learned from the Jew what they believe and what they do not believe, can they open up a conversation which is mutually beneficial, where the Christian can maybe teach the Jew of other aspects of &#8220;God&#8221; which they might have missed, and vice versa of course. Amongst others, Brian McLaren has opened up such inter-faith conversations. He goes so far as to say:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t believe making disciples must equal making adherents to the Christian religion. It may be advisable in many (not all!) circumstances to help people become followers of Jesus and remain within their Buddhist, Hindu, or Jewish contexts.&#8221; &#8211;A Generous Orthodoxy (found on <a href="http://www.theopedia.com/Brian_McLaren">Theopedia</a>.)</p></blockquote>
<p>I have yet to read <em>A Generous Orthodoxy</em>. Many more conservative Christians do not like Brian McLaren&#8217;s earlier works much. Do not let that frighten you away from <em>The Secret Message of Jesus</em> though, I have seen reviews saying something along the lines of: &#8220;no matter what your perspectives were of Brian McLaren&#8217;s previous works, you should give <em>The Secret Message of Jesus</em> a chance&#8221;. (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/084990000X?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=thinktoomuchn-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=084990000X">amazon</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=thinktoomuchn-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=084990000X" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />, <a href="http://www.kalahari.net/e-trader/referral.asp?toolbar=mweb&#038;linkid=5&#038;partnerid=5831&#038;sku=29127991">kalahari</a>)</p>
<p>To get back to the point, then, Christianity is very diverse. Monotheism is even more diverse than that. Pull in Polytheism, Deism and Pantheism, and in-betweens such as Panentheism, Pandeism and Panendeism&#8230; and you realise how broad and diverse humanity&#8217;s understanding of &#8220;God&#8221; is. And each tradition surely has at least <em>some</em> fragments of &#8220;The Truth&#8221;.</p>
<p>So, what about atheism then?</p>
<p><strong>Godly versus Godless</strong></p>
<p>I lack the right words, unfortunately. &#8220;Godly&#8221; and &#8220;godless&#8221; are not perfect, but they will have to do for now. Consider this Dutch quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Ateis: zonder God,<br />
maar niet goddeloos.&#8221;</p>
<p>Filosofie Magazine (hat tip to Auke at <a href="http://www.psychohistorian.org/">Psychohistorian</a>).</p></blockquote>
<p>Translated: &#8220;Atheist: without God, but not godless&#8221;. This defines the essence of what I mean by &#8220;godly&#8221; and &#8220;godless&#8221;. I am suggesting we could talk about two kinds of atheists, the godly kind, and the godless kind.</p>
<p>Atheism has been stereotyped, stigmatised or demonised in certain circles. The impression the word &#8220;atheism&#8221; gives in such circles, is someone without appreciation, without a sense wonder, someone who lacks humility or has no appreciation for mystery, someone who is not at all thankful or appreciative of his or her existence (because they supposedly show no thanks to &#8220;God&#8221;), someone that lacks a sense of morality, an immoral person.</p>
<p>What such theists are effectively doing, is projecting their worldview onto the atheist, and then adding an anti-God sentiment. In the theist&#8217;s worldview, the concept of &#8220;God&#8221; encompasses all of the aspects mentioned in the previous paragraph &#8211; claim you have no belief in &#8220;God&#8221;, and they think you are throwing out all of the above. They think you are a &#8220;godless&#8221; atheist. There may be &#8220;godless&#8221; atheists, but I have yet to meet one&#8230; on the other hand, I know many &#8220;godly&#8221; atheists.</p>
<p>What is a &#8220;godly&#8221; atheist, then? &#8220;Godly&#8221; atheists <em>do</em> have an incredible sense of wonder and awe at the majesty of the universe, sometimes much more so than the theist. Sometimes the atheist is much more aware of the incredible mystery that is out there. Often atheists have an incredible sense of thankfulness and appreciation for their existence. This may be hard for the theist to believe, as the theist directs his or her thankfulness and appreciation towards a personified God. (Humans understand how to be thankful much better, when dealing with a &#8220;person&#8221;, or a &#8220;personified&#8221; entity. &#8220;Personifying&#8221; things is a very human thing to do.) The atheist&#8217;s thankfulness and appreciation is more abstract, directed at &#8220;an unknown god&#8221; if you will. The lack of a clear notion of a personified God to whom the thankfulness can be directed, can even lead to a more overwhelming experience of appreciation and &#8220;majesty&#8221;.</p>
<p>Some atheists have an incredibly strong sense of morality as well. Some details may differ, they likely think fundamentalist religions&#8217; homophobia is an example of immorality, or that discouraging contraceptive use or HPV vaccinations are some of the most immoral things done in the name of religion. Atheists are often <em>shocked</em> to hear that <a href="http://parentingbeyondbelief.com/blog/?p=79">some Christians would not think twice about cheating on their spouse if it were not for the seventh commandment</a>.</p>
<p>CS Lewis argues for the existence of God based on the existence of morality. Effectively, he defines the source of morality as &#8220;God&#8221;. The atheists have morality, they have a source of morality, why not call that &#8220;God&#8221; then? There has long been a tradition of attributing things we do not understand, to &#8220;God&#8221;. What&#8217;s wrong then with an atheist calling the mystery in the universe, the &#8220;original cause&#8221;, that which is beyond our comprehension, &#8220;God&#8221;? Can we personify the abstract thing to which atheists express their thankfulness and appreciation, and call that &#8220;God&#8221;? Some call any sense of a &#8220;higher power&#8221;, even <a href="http://reverendmark.com/weblog/2007/09/13/what-is-an-atheist/">our community or interconnectedness</a>, &#8220;God&#8221;.</p>
<p>The only difference, therefore, is that atheists have a different understanding of &#8220;God&#8221;. I personally don&#8217;t feel this difference is greater than the diversity already found within theism and religion, which is why I state &#8220;the only difference between theists and atheists, is that we speak different languages&#8221;. In the language of the theists, &#8220;God&#8221; has a rather specific meaning. Because of this, the atheist does not use the word &#8220;God&#8221; to describe his or her notion of &#8220;God&#8221;, as it could be too misleading.</p>
<p>In &#8220;3001: The Final Odyssey&#8221;, Arthur C. Clarke had a thousand years of history to play with. He used this freedom to remove religion, and even ban the word &#8220;God&#8221;. (If the notion of banning the word &#8220;God&#8221; frightens you, what do you think about the notion of banning the word &#8220;Allah&#8221;?) However, they still needed a word with which to refer to &#8220;God&#8221;, abstract notion or not, so they created a new word&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Concluding Remarks</strong></p>
<p>Understand the language differences, and honestly and humbly investigate what you can learn about God from an atheist. (After all, if God can talk to you through the mouth of a donkey, surely God can talk to you through the mouth of an atheist?) Learn what the Gospel is, go find out what Jesus taught. <em>Then</em>, we can have us a conversation.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This is the second post in a series of three, aimed at making evangelicals in the field more successful in their ministry to atheists. The first post was <a href="http://thinktoomuch.net/2007/10/04/how-to-convert-an-atheist/">How to Convert an Atheist</a>. Go and read that one first if you have not already done so.</em></p>
<p>What exactly is the &#8220;Good News&#8221;? Evangelising Christianity is about sharing the &#8220;Good News&#8221;. As such, it is important that the news is actually good. What might seem like good news to you, might not seem like good news from another perspective. It is important to understand this. As mentioned last time, it is important to look at it from an atheist&#8217;s perspective. This exercise may also help you understand the good news better yourself.</p>
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<p>Below is a video titled &#8220;Kissing Hank&#8217;s Ass&#8221;. Be warned, this video tries to offend. Do not let it offend you, otherwise you will be unable to learn anything. Learn to turn the other cheek. Furthermore, I suspect if you are offended, it might be as a result of viewing it with an egocentric perspective. Instead, look at the video with compassion or empathy. Place yourself in the atheist&#8217;s shoes, try your best to understand how the atheist thinks. Also avoid the trap of feeling &#8220;pity&#8221;, that would also suppress a good understanding. Only when you understand how they think, will you have any chance to actually converse with them in a meaningful manner.</p>
<p>The clip is just over seven and a half minutes long. If your bandwidth is limited, you may read <a href="http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank.php">the script that inspired the video clip</a> instead. There is also <a href="http://www.jhuger.com/kisshankbutt.php">a sanitised version</a> available, which replaces the words &#8220;ass&#8221; and &#8220;shit&#8221; with &#8220;butt&#8221; and &#8220;snot&#8221;. (The video clip also includes profanities. If such things bother you, read the sanitised version instead.)</p>
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<p>It is now assumed that you have read the script or watched the video clip. If you have not yet done so, go do it! Also, think it over. Maybe come back to this post later, even.</p>
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<p>What I think you should have learned from this (please share what you learned, let&#8217;s have a discussion!): &#8220;you are going to hell&#8221; is not Good News. All too often, however, this is the core of the news that evangelicals give to atheists. &#8220;You are going to hell (but I can show you how to avoid it).&#8221; There is no way you will get them interested with such news. Amongst other things, they do not fear a literal hell. So, what to do?</p>
<p>If this is a problem you are facing, it may be that you do not fully comprehend what aspects of the gospel would be considered good news by non-believers. I would suggest you read <em>The Secret Message of Jesus</em> by Brian McLaren (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/084990000X?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=thinktoomuchn-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=084990000X">amazon</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=thinktoomuchn-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=084990000X" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />, <a href="http://www.kalahari.net/e-trader/referral.asp?toolbar=mweb&#038;linkid=5&#038;partnerid=5831&#038;sku=29127991">kalahari</a>). That should get you started. I believe a lot of it is based on the work of NT Wright, a Bible scholar. I have yet to read NT Wright&#8217;s stuff itself, however, to the scholarly minded (or even the atheist), I could recommend reading <em>Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time</em> by Marcus Borg (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060609176?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=thinktoomuchn-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0060609176">amazon</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=thinktoomuchn-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0060609176" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />, <a href="http://www.kalahari.net/e-trader/referral.asp?toolbar=mweb&#038;linkid=5&#038;partnerid=5831&#038;sku=28757685">kalahari</a>), another Bible scholar. If you are in the Stellenbosch area, you are welcome to borrow my books.</p>
<p>If either of these books do not increase your respect for Jesus or your excitement about or your understanding of his message, let me buy you a meal at a decent restaurant if I know you personally, otherwise a cup of coffee or something similar, or maybe a beer: I&#8217;d like to hear your feedback.</p>
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<p>Please be friendly in the comments. That doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t disagree, I love friendly disagreements. This blog is my home in cyberspace, and you are my guests &#8211; ideally, my friends even. (If we have not yet met, maybe we should&#8230;) Be sure to give a valid email address.</p>
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