Comments on: Humans Need the Threat of Punishment http://www.thinktoomuch.net/2009/04/19/humans-need-the-threat-of-punishment/ Pondering the South African Memesphere - Looking for the Good in Everything Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:43:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Hugo http://www.thinktoomuch.net/2009/04/19/humans-need-the-threat-of-punishment/#comment-42472 Hugo Wed, 06 May 2009 19:50:07 +0000 http://www.thinktoomuch.net/?p=743#comment-42472 gerhard, I find your comment extremely abstract, to the point of not having a clue what you are on about. Could you give some more concrete examples? Some more substance? More data? Less "hand-waving"? ;-) Consider the Guatanamo Bay prison example maybe. Do these "five boxes" he works with not provide you with a useful framework to help think and understand the arguments on both sides? Now give me one single example of how homoeopathy is that useful... I think that's a terrible comparison to make. gerhard, I find your comment extremely abstract, to the point of not having a clue what you are on about. Could you give some more concrete examples? Some more substance? More data? Less “hand-waving”? ;-)

Consider the Guatanamo Bay prison example maybe. Do these “five boxes” he works with not provide you with a useful framework to help think and understand the arguments on both sides? Now give me one single example of how homoeopathy is that useful… I think that’s a terrible comparison to make.

]]> By: gerhard http://www.thinktoomuch.net/2009/04/19/humans-need-the-threat-of-punishment/#comment-42080 gerhard Fri, 01 May 2009 20:35:15 +0000 http://www.thinktoomuch.net/?p=743#comment-42080 a lil bit like taking a resultant variable from a system and then declaring all systems that have the similar tendency as part of some over arching rule set. it may be a nice short hand like using 'new math' but when trying to actually achieve a understanding in a greater context it can only lead to hindrance. I call this putting things into boxes for sake of having boxes. remember things have a tendency to evolve out of things without goals. so alot of it just doesn't actually make sense. It may make sense as to what it does , but not operation nor how it came it about. The blind watchmaker :) Why we're so different is because we've lent the watchmaker our eyes and he's given us our minds in exchange. Our collaborations don't just stop with us, we exhibit our work in diseases, other animals , plants. hell, take your pick. I guess i'd have to read more into this guys work to truly form an opinion but so far i would put this on a shelf close to homeopathy . i can't help wonder if what this guy is attempting is a little like describing and exploiting an algorithm for mp3 conversion by listening to the song and making . he may be able to say that it's mp3 and that something has been lost but not about the specific mechanics or 'greater implications for us' . a lil bit like taking a resultant variable from a system and then declaring all systems that have the similar tendency as part of some over arching rule set. it may be a nice short hand like using ‘new math’ but when trying to actually achieve a understanding in a greater context it can only lead to hindrance. I call this putting things into boxes for sake of having boxes. remember things have a tendency to evolve out of things without goals. so alot of it just doesn’t actually make sense. It may make sense as to what it does , but not operation nor how it came it about. The blind watchmaker :) Why we’re so different is because we’ve lent the watchmaker our eyes and he’s given us our minds in exchange. Our collaborations don’t just stop with us, we exhibit our work in diseases, other animals , plants. hell, take your pick. I guess i’d have to read more into this guys work to truly form an opinion but so far i would put this on a shelf close to homeopathy .

i can’t help wonder if what this guy is attempting is a little like describing and exploiting an algorithm for mp3 conversion by listening to the song and making . he may be able to say that it’s mp3 and that something has been lost but not about the specific mechanics or ‘greater implications for us’ .

]]> By: Bendul http://www.thinktoomuch.net/2009/04/19/humans-need-the-threat-of-punishment/#comment-41954 Bendul Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:27:50 +0000 http://www.thinktoomuch.net/?p=743#comment-41954 TED is frikin awesome. ek het al soveel belaglike goeie talks beleef! TED is frikin awesome. ek het al soveel belaglike goeie talks beleef!

]]> By: Ben-Jammin' http://www.thinktoomuch.net/2009/04/19/humans-need-the-threat-of-punishment/#comment-41815 Ben-Jammin' Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:54:02 +0000 http://www.thinktoomuch.net/?p=743#comment-41815 Another article, 4 pages long, very good, not much new: http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture_society/morals-authority-1099?article_page=1 <blockquote>..."I see liberalism and conservatism as opposing principles that work well when in balance," he says, noting that authority needs to be both upheld (as conservatives insist) and challenged (as liberals maintain). "It's a basic design principle: You get better responsiveness if you have two systems pushing against each other. As individuals, we are very bad at finding the flaws in our own arguments. We all have a distorted perception of reality." Spend some time reading Haidt, and chances are you'll begin to view day-to-day political arguments through a less-polarized lens. Should the Guantanamo Bay prison be closed? Of course, say liberals, whose harm/fairness receptors are acute. Not so fast, argue conservatives, whose finely attuned sense of in-group loyalty points to a proactive attitude toward outside threats... </blockquote> Another article, 4 pages long, very good, not much new:

http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture_society/morals-authority-1099?article_page=1

…”I see liberalism and conservatism as opposing principles that work well when in balance,” he says, noting that authority needs to be both upheld (as conservatives insist) and challenged (as liberals maintain). “It’s a basic design principle: You get better responsiveness if you have two systems pushing against each other. As individuals, we are very bad at finding the flaws in our own arguments. We all have a distorted perception of reality.”

Spend some time reading Haidt, and chances are you’ll begin to view day-to-day political arguments through a less-polarized lens. Should the Guantanamo Bay prison be closed? Of course, say liberals, whose harm/fairness receptors are acute. Not so fast, argue conservatives, whose finely attuned sense of in-group loyalty points to a proactive attitude toward outside threats…

]]> By: Pieter http://www.thinktoomuch.net/2009/04/19/humans-need-the-threat-of-punishment/#comment-41277 Pieter Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:51:28 +0000 http://www.thinktoomuch.net/?p=743#comment-41277 "bandwidth starved south africans" yeah that sums it up. “bandwidth starved south africans” yeah that sums it up.

]]> By: Ben-Jammin' http://www.thinktoomuch.net/2009/04/19/humans-need-the-threat-of-punishment/#comment-41133 Ben-Jammin' Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:49:29 +0000 http://www.thinktoomuch.net/?p=743#comment-41133 That was an awesome 19 minute video. That was an awesome 19 minute video.

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